Once hey claimed that iphones were really designed first by god, and as such they are entitled to the royalties and profits, then repeated with every other cash cw out there they would have got along due to having all the money.
If we’re going that route. It’s more of a case of the brain being designed by God. therefore all humans have the potential to do great things with the brain. God designed it and left us to use it.
As I said, if we’re going that route.
If on the other hand this breaks out into a “holy moley how did that escalate” argument. I have this nifty power button on my computer and 3 weeks of novels I can read instead.
But from that point, there would still be religious conflict, as there are quite a few religions who claim that *their* god (totally different) created everything.
The difference would be there was no inherent claim to the idea.
With something so clearly based on the bible as a angelic figure, there is at last some argument of IP ownership.
But claiming someones idea does not belong to him but your group without any tangible evidence? Totally different story.
Of course this is a superhuman setting, so it can totally happen too.
Ouch. I think I just broke my suspension of disbelief.
I’m more than 20 pages ahead of you. They lost me on page 539.
“According to our faiths, the creator of said symbols is God …”
Okay, you just lost the pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Taoists/Confucianists … basically anyone of the non-Abrahamic faiths. Trying to get those groups to set aside their mutually exclusive beliefs in order to make a grab for the symbology of Christianity is just … It’s so ridiculous that everything up to this point in the comic is utterly mundane.
When the pagans borrow symbols from all sorts of other religions? I can’t see the Satanists going along with this, either.
Hmm, so who gets ownership of the shared symbols and tenets of Buddhism and Hinduism. Who gets ownership of the shared elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?
There are still too many issues to suspend disbelief, for me and I’m sure many others. A con-job by the devil guy might have made it all work, but the writers don’t seem to be going in that direction.
One common misconception about (& sometimes even among) Satanists that, in order to worship Satan, they must also acknowledge God’s existence…Because He *created* Satan.
No, some of them believe in both beings. Some of them have a dualist theology, similar to the Gnostic Christians, back in the 1st century CE.
Some of those dualists believe that Yahweh and Satan/Lucifer/whatever are opposed forces of comparable power. Some believe that Satan was created by a non-omnipotent, non-omniscient version of Yahweh, and he’s the more moral one of the two, having rebelled against the injustice of Yahweh. Some Satanists are atheist trolls who make good use of Satanism as a legal tool to oppose first-amendment violations by the Dominionist Christians, here in the US.
You can’t really say that a Satanist has a “misconception” about Satanism. The religious concept of any given Satanist is just as valid as any others. It’s the Satanist’s own made up nonsense, so he/she can make up whatever he/she likes. As an opposition religion in the vast minority, there isn’t nor has ever really been enough coherency to set up official dogma to which most Satanists conform.
What you’re saying is sort of like saying that a Jehovah’s Witness has a misconception about the Trinity. The Jehovah’s Witness believes that Jesus and Yahweh are distinct beings, while a more mainline Christian believes that Jesus and Yahweh are both part of an incoherent, contradictory being/group. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Doctrine of the Trinity, for that reason.
Neither of those Christians has a misconception about the Trinity. One accepts the concept, and the other doesn’t.
Unfortunately, that’s one of the problems with organized religion– sometimes corrupt people seeking power get into positions of power within them. The other big problems are human pride, vanity, and egos.
And the power-hungry megalomaniacs are going to throw their weight behind Christianity, for some reason? I’m not sure that’s how corrupt, power-hungry people work.
That wasn’t them getting behind Christianity, as much as it was them using it to their advantage. Religion has always been a good tool to use in justifying your right to rule over and oppress the peasants.
In the real world, you don’t have the mythological characters of Christianity popping up and doing things, like this class-action lawsuit.
A bigger issue with Gyrre’s comment, which I completely failed to address was his (her?) statement about the problem with organized religion.
That sort of thing always makes me laugh. If a religion isn’t organized, it will go away after 3 or 4 generations. If a religion isn’t organized, you won’t get things like … the Bible … the Koran … the Bhagavad Gita of the Mahabharata …
Without those, you don’t have anything approaching a modern religion, just something like back in the days of animism, spirit worship, and ancestral worship.
This is why I consider myself to be religious, but I abhor Organized Religion. Heck, they can’t even agree on which *version* of the Bible to believe, mostly *because* of those wanna-be tyrants among their ranks. In this day & age, there has been a fairly large, detrimental influence accumulated.
Yes, Religions could not survive very long without organizing, but like any man-made organization, it’s vulnerable to those who would take personal advantage of it.
No go—having common sense as a power rules you out. The Leage has standards, after all.
If they start letting people with common sense in, pretty soon they’ll be the the LOSCSP (Leage of Semi-Competent Super Heroes), and that’s way too unpronouncable of an acronym.
I think it is Deus Ex Good Girl in this case.
Unless you say that all human bodies are inherently machines or at least Good Girls body is a Christian Machine of some sort.
I now expect a cooperative meeting between religious repping heroes.
Good Girl will probably running into the Hindu rep, Maybe the Budda rep.
Which reminds me,.. How does she get along with Wiccah-Raven clone?
Trying to set a precedent for anyone who wants to sue someone else for using religious iconography that the first person claims to own, somehow.
I dunno. The whole premise is a bit incoherent from the word go. Within the scenario presented in this arc, any Christian could sue any other Christian for using Christian iconography. I’m going to assume that GG is a Christian to at least some degree, so that’s what we’re looking at.
Pretty sure he’s being arrested for contempt of court, because the judge went on a power trip and decided he can do that. Which is something I would totally do if I were a judge. Possibly one of the reasons they weeded me out.
Hey, if you win an election, there’s nothing that they can do about it, until after you do something sufficiently unconstitutional. It took a great deal to get Roy Moore ejected from the bench the first time around, in 2003, and it’s going to take a lot of effort to get him ejected again, after his recent activities.
(This is in no intention of stealing audience and it’s one-off I did try and post it as a banner for advert on this site, but it wouldn’t accept the rating that the comic will go into which is NFSW and only posting here as people seem to give feedback and their own views.)
Okay, i did not see that coming
Lots of people ate with the devil and did not have a long spoon.
And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for that meddling GoodGirl.
Whom he tried to meddle with… Don’t meddle with meddlers.
…wait…so they WERE going along with it…despite their various differences…
Ouch. I think I just broke my suspension of disbelief.
Once hey claimed that iphones were really designed first by god, and as such they are entitled to the royalties and profits, then repeated with every other cash cw out there they would have got along due to having all the money.
I wouldnt go so far as to call Steve Jobs “God” per se…
I think what sjmcc13 meant is they could probably argue that God was the source of the ideas and sent inspiration to the engineers and designers.
If we’re going that route. It’s more of a case of the brain being designed by God. therefore all humans have the potential to do great things with the brain. God designed it and left us to use it.
As I said, if we’re going that route.
If on the other hand this breaks out into a “holy moley how did that escalate” argument. I have this nifty power button on my computer and 3 weeks of novels I can read instead.
But from that point, there would still be religious conflict, as there are quite a few religions who claim that *their* god (totally different) created everything.
The difference would be there was no inherent claim to the idea.
With something so clearly based on the bible as a angelic figure, there is at last some argument of IP ownership.
But claiming someones idea does not belong to him but your group without any tangible evidence? Totally different story.
Of course this is a superhuman setting, so it can totally happen too.
Actually, the Bible is pretty vague on what angels look like. It certainly doesn’t mention anything very much like GG’s powered-up form.
Not that vague. Seraphims are described in great detail.
I’m more than 20 pages ahead of you. They lost me on page 539.
“According to our faiths, the creator of said symbols is God …”
Okay, you just lost the pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Taoists/Confucianists … basically anyone of the non-Abrahamic faiths. Trying to get those groups to set aside their mutually exclusive beliefs in order to make a grab for the symbology of Christianity is just … It’s so ridiculous that everything up to this point in the comic is utterly mundane.
It was so they all would have total ownership of all things religious. They were just using a case involving Christianity to get it.
When the pagans borrow symbols from all sorts of other religions? I can’t see the Satanists going along with this, either.
Hmm, so who gets ownership of the shared symbols and tenets of Buddhism and Hinduism. Who gets ownership of the shared elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?
There are still too many issues to suspend disbelief, for me and I’m sure many others. A con-job by the devil guy might have made it all work, but the writers don’t seem to be going in that direction.
One common misconception about (& sometimes even among) Satanists that, in order to worship Satan, they must also acknowledge God’s existence…Because He *created* Satan.
No, some of them believe in both beings. Some of them have a dualist theology, similar to the Gnostic Christians, back in the 1st century CE.
Some of those dualists believe that Yahweh and Satan/Lucifer/whatever are opposed forces of comparable power. Some believe that Satan was created by a non-omnipotent, non-omniscient version of Yahweh, and he’s the more moral one of the two, having rebelled against the injustice of Yahweh. Some Satanists are atheist trolls who make good use of Satanism as a legal tool to oppose first-amendment violations by the Dominionist Christians, here in the US.
You can’t really say that a Satanist has a “misconception” about Satanism. The religious concept of any given Satanist is just as valid as any others. It’s the Satanist’s own made up nonsense, so he/she can make up whatever he/she likes. As an opposition religion in the vast minority, there isn’t nor has ever really been enough coherency to set up official dogma to which most Satanists conform.
What you’re saying is sort of like saying that a Jehovah’s Witness has a misconception about the Trinity. The Jehovah’s Witness believes that Jesus and Yahweh are distinct beings, while a more mainline Christian believes that Jesus and Yahweh are both part of an incoherent, contradictory being/group. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Doctrine of the Trinity, for that reason.
Neither of those Christians has a misconception about the Trinity. One accepts the concept, and the other doesn’t.
Unfortunately, that’s one of the problems with organized religion– sometimes corrupt people seeking power get into positions of power within them. The other big problems are human pride, vanity, and egos.
And the power-hungry megalomaniacs are going to throw their weight behind Christianity, for some reason? I’m not sure that’s how corrupt, power-hungry people work.
See: Holy Roman Empire
That wasn’t them getting behind Christianity, as much as it was them using it to their advantage. Religion has always been a good tool to use in justifying your right to rule over and oppress the peasants.
In the real world, you don’t have the mythological characters of Christianity popping up and doing things, like this class-action lawsuit.
A bigger issue with Gyrre’s comment, which I completely failed to address was his (her?) statement about the problem with organized religion.
That sort of thing always makes me laugh. If a religion isn’t organized, it will go away after 3 or 4 generations. If a religion isn’t organized, you won’t get things like … the Bible … the Koran … the Bhagavad Gita of the Mahabharata …
Without those, you don’t have anything approaching a modern religion, just something like back in the days of animism, spirit worship, and ancestral worship.
Oh, and Xipe Toltec who and it’s priests wear human skin.
It would be interesting to see someone try to practice a non-organized version of that religion, yeah.
And convince people to skin other people and wear it. Quite the fashion statement, although it is ancient classic serial killer, so last millennia.
I dunno, man. You should see some of the kink clubs that I’ve been to. I don’t think it would be as difficult as you think to convince some people.
This is why I consider myself to be religious, but I abhor Organized Religion. Heck, they can’t even agree on which *version* of the Bible to believe, mostly *because* of those wanna-be tyrants among their ranks. In this day & age, there has been a fairly large, detrimental influence accumulated.
Yes, Religions could not survive very long without organizing, but like any man-made organization, it’s vulnerable to those who would take personal advantage of it.
Blind Lawyer is right. That was a terrible plan.
He should join the league, his power would be common sense ;)
No go—having common sense as a power rules you out. The Leage has standards, after all.
If they start letting people with common sense in, pretty soon they’ll be the the LOSCSP (Leage of Semi-Competent Super Heroes), and that’s way too unpronouncable of an acronym.
Make a deal with the devil and get burned.
Whoops. I was supposed to make a separate comment but I must clicked the reply by mistake.
……computer’s making fun of me……..
No worries. Happens to me all the time.
And posting before I finish my thoughts.
Or even something as foolish as
accidenttly hitting enter before you’re done typing.
Hel, load up on enough cof
fee and it’s practically inevitable.
It was a good plan but there’s just no fighting deus ex machine.
I think it is Deus Ex Good Girl in this case.
Unless you say that all human bodies are inherently machines or at least Good Girls body is a Christian Machine of some sort.
To quote the Captain Picard: “… [Humans], too, are machines, just machines of a different type.”
More or less, yeah. The development of the human machines is just bottom-up, while the machines that the human machines create are developed top-down.
For now.
Hmm possible foreshadowing of what’s to come? Well it is a comic…
I now expect a cooperative meeting between religious repping heroes.
Good Girl will probably running into the Hindu rep, Maybe the Budda rep.
Which reminds me,.. How does she get along with Wiccah-Raven clone?
I’m confused so the devil was trying to win the trial to corner anything religious?
Trying to set a precedent for anyone who wants to sue someone else for using religious iconography that the first person claims to own, somehow.
I dunno. The whole premise is a bit incoherent from the word go. Within the scenario presented in this arc, any Christian could sue any other Christian for using Christian iconography. I’m going to assume that GG is a Christian to at least some degree, so that’s what we’re looking at.
It’s simple: he makes money, religious paraphernalia is kept out of the reach of all but the very rich. It’s a win-win situation.
So, the prosecuter is being arested for losing the case?
Pretty sure he’s being arrested for contempt of court, because the judge went on a power trip and decided he can do that. Which is something I would totally do if I were a judge. Possibly one of the reasons they weeded me out.
Hey, if you win an election, there’s nothing that they can do about it, until after you do something sufficiently unconstitutional. It took a great deal to get Roy Moore ejected from the bench the first time around, in 2003, and it’s going to take a lot of effort to get him ejected again, after his recent activities.
Is her lawyer Matt Murdock?
A redundant Matt, yes.
But is so far not having to resort to throwing people in front of trains because this one can actually win a case for once!
I’m not sure that being the recipient of a deus ex machina counts as winning the case, except perhaps in the most technical sense.
Hey, a win is a win. More or less.
Receiving a win, certainly. I’d claim it as a win in his place, at any rate..
Would there be anyone interested in following a webcomic I set up given there are some who follow this material. It’s based on a video game series
http://thebritwriter.deviantart.com/art/Xcom-Legacy-Title-and-Introduction-588557826
(This is in no intention of stealing audience and it’s one-off I did try and post it as a banner for advert on this site, but it wouldn’t accept the rating that the comic will go into which is NFSW and only posting here as people seem to give feedback and their own views.)
Sure. Looks good.
You play Devil’s Advocate, fellah, you have to be prepared for an unpredictable client.
religion’s Lawyer looks like the Devil, should have said that when I first saw him
Given that other religions didn’t interfere when they called the Pope as the sole representative,
kinda expected something like this in play unless the writers were going for a complete lack of sense.