Heh, yeah, that’s another term that is almost useless in most contexts, if you think much about it. Most people’s thoughts run something along these lines:
Buildings are obviously artificial, right? People create artificial lakes by building dams.
… but beaver dams and the resultant lakes are part of nature …
The main issues here is seeing humans and thier works as not part of nature. Wich is inherently flawed.
We are a result of natural selection. We rework our environment, the same way the beaver building a dam does.
Our dam is not different from the beaver dam other then scale, meaning and used materials. But it is as “natural” as the beavers.
As a result, “artificial intelligeneces” might also turn out to be a natural occurence (if they exists at all).
This is normally where I would insert a lame joke about evolution being lies straight from the pit of hell … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXR96_uFYwY
… but I just don’t have the energy to throw together anything coherent, this early in the morning. Need coffee.
Consciousness and intelligence seem to be simple, emergent properties of exponential and qualitative increases in massively-complex stimulus/response networks. So, I don’t see why something truly intelligent and conscious couldn’t emerge from either a chemical process unrelated to carbon-based life or some sort of ridiculously-complex, transistor-based system. I don’t know that we’ll get any kind of confirmation of such during our lifetimes, but it’s a fun speculation-point to spitball.
“Simple”, as opposed to requiring the contribution of external parts. There are plenty of other modifiers which contribute to our thinking, such as all of the chemicals that our various glands pump into our bloodstream, but the base consciousness is more-or-less self-contained, to my understanding.
And no, psychology is an interesting subject — I took several courses in high school and college — but it would bore the hell out of me, at the higher levels. It’s sort of like being an actual biological scientist. That involves a whole lot of time writing down numbers and going to poke your yeast culture every 6 hours or so. I know multiple Ph.D. students, in various biological foci.
Scarf Guy is being unnecessarily pedantic. I presume that Blue-Haired Lady meant, whether she realised it or not, “Do you believe that there are observable phenomena which remain inexplicable by our current understanding of physical law?” which is still a fairly odd question to ask in a city with about the same number of superheroes as cockroaches.
In a world where flying guys with laser-beam eyes battle giant monsters and Laser Pony can date a hot babe, exactly what counts as “mysterious unexplained phenomena”? Some definitions need to be redefined.
Well, most of the characters are superheroes, who tend to be in fantastic shape, or newscasters or other media types, who tend to be far more attractive than average. Josie isn’t in peak shape, having a bit more of a mother-who-fairly-recently-had-a-baby sort of figure.
look at the gag 577 again, and dare say to my face that Josie’s body is nothing but fit… Because if THAT is what a mother-who-fairly-recently-had-a-baby’s body supposed to look like, I don’t understand why being pregnant is still considered a bad thing for professional sportswomen…
Don’t give me that bullshit about daring to say it to your face. I explicitly said “mother-who-recently-had-a-baby”. You quoted me … and then you held up a comic of Josie with a 4+ year-old. That isn’t honest.
Also, figure out what you’re talking about, before you say it, so you don’t look stupid. Professional sportswomen are worried about having a baby, because they’re in a profession in which a 5% decrease in performance can mean the difference between an Olympic gold medal and not even qualifying for the Olympics. Supermodels who have babies bounce back in a year or so, since they merely have to look good.
Don’t come at me with a snotty attitude, when you’re the one in the wrong.
Whoa boy you’re fiesty. I guess I should have written my first answer more diplomatically and not so tongue-in-cheek, I really didn’t expect it to make you angry. Please excuse me if you felt like I was agressing you.
Not to put even more fuel to your fire but wasn’t Josie still bearing the child at the time ? The next time we see her, she HAS the kid (who resembles a recent baby to me) and even if it’s really not that clear, she doesn’t look like she still has a tummy:
On the other hand, the sportswomen part was a total “overdoing-it” joke, I thought it was obvious it was a joke, and you attacking me over it leaves me both perplexed and somewhat hurt that you could think I didn’t know what it entails to have children for them. Because of course you’re right about them, even when it’s not the Olympics they aim for.
So, again, excuse me if my tone sounded disrespectful towards you, I never intended to hurt you. But please, try and be less agressive too.
It depends what sort of role they fill and which powers they have. If you have someone who has crazy superpowers that don’t depend in the slightest upon their physical characteristics, then sure. Most superpowers modify someone’s physical abilities, though, in which case they’ll benefit highly from being in good shape. And someone without superpowers really needs to be in peak condition, like Alex and Flying Fox-man are.
Take police, for example. There’s the stereotype of the fat desk sergeant, but pretty much every police officer in my area that I’ve encountered is in pretty damned good shape.
I think what you’ve stumbled upon is a fetish, BBW/superhero thing, not an attempt at realism. Not that real realism is necessarily a thing with superheroes, but come on …
How many fat soldiers do you know? Having a six-pack is far from necessary … and you want a little bit of spare body-fat as backup, actually, but there are limits after which you start being seriously handicapped … and superheroing is dangerous, so you want every advantage.
If you say so, but that doesn’t change the fact that pretty much every LORSH female character so far shared a nearly identical body type. Which, if we are talking about realism, doesn’t seem very realistic. Female athletes body type varies greatly depending on their discipline, for example. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1470692/original.jpg
However, as you said, how much is realism even relevant in a funny comic about super heroes…
Which takes us back to square one: Either way, it’s nice to see a fat girl in LORSH. ^^
If you say so, but that doesn’t change the fact that pretty much every LORSH female character so far shared a nearly identical body type.
Certainly, yes. That’s more a matter of an artistic limitation or proclivity of the artist, I think. Particularly given the level of detail in these strips, I can forgive a bit of cut-and-paste, here and there.
In a professionally done comic, though, there should be a lot more variety of forms than there generally are. Not all superheroes should be musclemen with 5% or 6% body fat … or women with 6% body fat, plus whatever amount of fat is in their breasts … which never look like they’re actually made of fat.
My point was that this is going to the other ridiculous extreme. I can think of a few characters for whom it makes sense. Take Marvel’s The Blob and Greta Gravity (who is very curvy, carrying a lot of her mass in her hips and breasts, not the apple-like figure that Faith has) from the Spinnerette webcomic. Their powers actually come from their extreme body mass, so they’re going to try to maintain as high a body mass as possible while still remaining fit enough to handle themselves in a fight.
Aside from that sort of thing, though, I would expect most superheroes to be below 30% body fat or something like that, in general, and that much probably wouldn’t work for someone who is a direct brawler, as opposed to someone who has ranged powers or who uses mystical, strength-and-agility-amplifying powers. Faith looks like she’s topping 60% body fat. There might be an explanation for it, but the People article doesn’t give us any help with that, actually implying the opposite: “And, oh yeah – she just happens to be plus-size.”
The image in that article isn’t just plus-size. She’s huge! Plus-size is … say a woman who’s 5’6″ and weighs something like 180 or 200 pounds. Faith looks like she’s probably pushing 300 or so, if she’s 5’6″. If she has to ever control her body directly, in order to fight, she’s going to be in trouble. And in the interest of self-preservation, she should do what she can to increase her capabilities without the use of her powers.
Sure, some of the women in the Valiant offices might have looked like that, but they weren’t out there working as police officers or in some other dangerous role.
Nice range of women in that picture, though, yes. We could do with a range more like that, in superhero comics. They’re still all way more fit than I would say is necessary for crime-fighting, particularly with the addition of superpowers. You wouldn’t have to be built like an actual Olympian.
The only one who isn’t almost solid muscle is Cheryl Haworth, and she doesn’t need to move very fast, as a weight lifter. The second in line is 175 lbs, and she’s freaking 5’11”.
I think of the Supernatural like this:
Every scrap of factual knowledge ever gained by humanity is directly derived from one thing only…The Laws of Nature that allow this universe to exist in the form that it does, and to continue perpetuating through time. That’s “Natural.”
When humanity can confirm the truth or fact of a certain aspect of Nature, when we can describe it & define it, we call it a “scientific fact” or a “scientific law.”
I see the Supernatural as something that exists within the Laws of Nature, but humanity hasn’t perceived or learned it well enough to confirm it as fact…That’s why there’s still room for “theory” to make our best educated guess. The Supernatural is merely something humanity hasn’t YET been able to confirm as fact, but maybe someday we can.
When they have an eternity, they get really good at poker.
And when they lose they rage quit and become Poltergeists.
That’s why you never play a board game with a poltergeist.
Unless it’s CalvinBoard.
NOOOOOOO! CalvinBall was bad enough!
Well, Obi Wan helped Luke cheat at poker and other card games with advice like “Use the fours, Luke”.
And also sensing other people’s cards.
Admit it, that’s what you would do if you were a Jedi.
Who cares what they have? I’d just make them fold.
Do you believe in the artificial?
Heh, yeah, that’s another term that is almost useless in most contexts, if you think much about it. Most people’s thoughts run something along these lines:
Buildings are obviously artificial, right? People create artificial lakes by building dams.
… but beaver dams and the resultant lakes are part of nature …
The main issues here is seeing humans and thier works as not part of nature. Wich is inherently flawed.
We are a result of natural selection. We rework our environment, the same way the beaver building a dam does.
Our dam is not different from the beaver dam other then scale, meaning and used materials. But it is as “natural” as the beavers.
As a result, “artificial intelligeneces” might also turn out to be a natural occurence (if they exists at all).
This is normally where I would insert a lame joke about evolution being lies straight from the pit of hell …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXR96_uFYwY
… but I just don’t have the energy to throw together anything coherent, this early in the morning. Need coffee.
As for A.I. …
Consciousness and intelligence seem to be simple, emergent properties of exponential and qualitative increases in massively-complex stimulus/response networks. So, I don’t see why something truly intelligent and conscious couldn’t emerge from either a chemical process unrelated to carbon-based life or some sort of ridiculously-complex, transistor-based system. I don’t know that we’ll get any kind of confirmation of such during our lifetimes, but it’s a fun speculation-point to spitball.
Maybe, but compare the early Fortran or ENIAC machines to today’s machines, and there is a trend.
*shrug*
Talk to me again when we improve by a few more orders of magnitude and make a few more qualitative leaps.
“simple”
Have you considered a career in neuropsychology? They’d love to have you.
“Simple”, as opposed to requiring the contribution of external parts. There are plenty of other modifiers which contribute to our thinking, such as all of the chemicals that our various glands pump into our bloodstream, but the base consciousness is more-or-less self-contained, to my understanding.
And no, psychology is an interesting subject — I took several courses in high school and college — but it would bore the hell out of me, at the higher levels. It’s sort of like being an actual biological scientist. That involves a whole lot of time writing down numbers and going to poke your yeast culture every 6 hours or so. I know multiple Ph.D. students, in various biological foci.
Believe only in strength, anything else is a delusion for the weak.
I prefer to use intelligence, rather than the belief in strength.
Scarf Guy is being unnecessarily pedantic. I presume that Blue-Haired Lady meant, whether she realised it or not, “Do you believe that there are observable phenomena which remain inexplicable by our current understanding of physical law?” which is still a fairly odd question to ask in a city with about the same number of superheroes as cockroaches.
Well, they need to get three panels out of the joke somehow.
“…a city with about the same number of superheroes as cockroaches.”
Are you including the superheroes who ARE cockroaches in that?
I’d assume all the cockroaches merge together to make one superhero.
In a world where flying guys with laser-beam eyes battle giant monsters and Laser Pony can date a hot babe, exactly what counts as “mysterious unexplained phenomena”? Some definitions need to be redefined.
Egon? Is that you?
It’s nice seeing a girl with a different body type in LOSRH ! 8D
An I love her hair. ^^
Well, most of the characters are superheroes, who tend to be in fantastic shape, or newscasters or other media types, who tend to be far more attractive than average. Josie isn’t in peak shape, having a bit more of a mother-who-fairly-recently-had-a-baby sort of figure.
look at the gag 577 again, and dare say to my face that Josie’s body is nothing but fit… Because if THAT is what a mother-who-fairly-recently-had-a-baby’s body supposed to look like, I don’t understand why being pregnant is still considered a bad thing for professional sportswomen…
Don’t give me that bullshit about daring to say it to your face. I explicitly said “mother-who-recently-had-a-baby”. You quoted me … and then you held up a comic of Josie with a 4+ year-old. That isn’t honest.
Try looking at Josie in comic http://superredundant.com/?comic=291-words-words-words and earlier.
Also, figure out what you’re talking about, before you say it, so you don’t look stupid. Professional sportswomen are worried about having a baby, because they’re in a profession in which a 5% decrease in performance can mean the difference between an Olympic gold medal and not even qualifying for the Olympics. Supermodels who have babies bounce back in a year or so, since they merely have to look good.
Don’t come at me with a snotty attitude, when you’re the one in the wrong.
Whoa boy you’re fiesty. I guess I should have written my first answer more diplomatically and not so tongue-in-cheek, I really didn’t expect it to make you angry. Please excuse me if you felt like I was agressing you.
Not to put even more fuel to your fire but wasn’t Josie still bearing the child at the time ? The next time we see her, she HAS the kid (who resembles a recent baby to me) and even if it’s really not that clear, she doesn’t look like she still has a tummy:
http://superredundant.com/?comic=385-pre-approved
On the other hand, the sportswomen part was a total “overdoing-it” joke, I thought it was obvious it was a joke, and you attacking me over it leaves me both perplexed and somewhat hurt that you could think I didn’t know what it entails to have children for them. Because of course you’re right about them, even when it’s not the Olympics they aim for.
So, again, excuse me if my tone sounded disrespectful towards you, I never intended to hurt you. But please, try and be less agressive too.
http://people.com/books/meet-faith-the-plus-size-superhero-we-can-all-admire/
I don’t see why being a superhero and being fat would be contradictory. ^^
It depends what sort of role they fill and which powers they have. If you have someone who has crazy superpowers that don’t depend in the slightest upon their physical characteristics, then sure. Most superpowers modify someone’s physical abilities, though, in which case they’ll benefit highly from being in good shape. And someone without superpowers really needs to be in peak condition, like Alex and Flying Fox-man are.
Take police, for example. There’s the stereotype of the fat desk sergeant, but pretty much every police officer in my area that I’ve encountered is in pretty damned good shape.
I think what you’ve stumbled upon is a fetish, BBW/superhero thing, not an attempt at realism. Not that real realism is necessarily a thing with superheroes, but come on …
How many fat soldiers do you know? Having a six-pack is far from necessary … and you want a little bit of spare body-fat as backup, actually, but there are limits after which you start being seriously handicapped … and superheroing is dangerous, so you want every advantage.
If you say so, but that doesn’t change the fact that pretty much every LORSH female character so far shared a nearly identical body type. Which, if we are talking about realism, doesn’t seem very realistic. Female athletes body type varies greatly depending on their discipline, for example.
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1470692/original.jpg
However, as you said, how much is realism even relevant in a funny comic about super heroes…
Which takes us back to square one: Either way, it’s nice to see a fat girl in LORSH. ^^
Certainly, yes. That’s more a matter of an artistic limitation or proclivity of the artist, I think. Particularly given the level of detail in these strips, I can forgive a bit of cut-and-paste, here and there.
In a professionally done comic, though, there should be a lot more variety of forms than there generally are. Not all superheroes should be musclemen with 5% or 6% body fat … or women with 6% body fat, plus whatever amount of fat is in their breasts … which never look like they’re actually made of fat.
My point was that this is going to the other ridiculous extreme. I can think of a few characters for whom it makes sense. Take Marvel’s The Blob and Greta Gravity (who is very curvy, carrying a lot of her mass in her hips and breasts, not the apple-like figure that Faith has) from the Spinnerette webcomic. Their powers actually come from their extreme body mass, so they’re going to try to maintain as high a body mass as possible while still remaining fit enough to handle themselves in a fight.
Aside from that sort of thing, though, I would expect most superheroes to be below 30% body fat or something like that, in general, and that much probably wouldn’t work for someone who is a direct brawler, as opposed to someone who has ranged powers or who uses mystical, strength-and-agility-amplifying powers. Faith looks like she’s topping 60% body fat. There might be an explanation for it, but the People article doesn’t give us any help with that, actually implying the opposite: “And, oh yeah – she just happens to be plus-size.”
The image in that article isn’t just plus-size. She’s huge! Plus-size is … say a woman who’s 5’6″ and weighs something like 180 or 200 pounds. Faith looks like she’s probably pushing 300 or so, if she’s 5’6″. If she has to ever control her body directly, in order to fight, she’s going to be in trouble. And in the interest of self-preservation, she should do what she can to increase her capabilities without the use of her powers.
Sure, some of the women in the Valiant offices might have looked like that, but they weren’t out there working as police officers or in some other dangerous role.
Nice range of women in that picture, though, yes. We could do with a range more like that, in superhero comics. They’re still all way more fit than I would say is necessary for crime-fighting, particularly with the addition of superpowers. You wouldn’t have to be built like an actual Olympian.
The only one who isn’t almost solid muscle is Cheryl Haworth, and she doesn’t need to move very fast, as a weight lifter. The second in line is 175 lbs, and she’s freaking 5’11”.
Christ … 6’2″, 145 … 5’10”, 135 … 5’7″, 100 …
I think of the Supernatural like this:
Every scrap of factual knowledge ever gained by humanity is directly derived from one thing only…The Laws of Nature that allow this universe to exist in the form that it does, and to continue perpetuating through time. That’s “Natural.”
When humanity can confirm the truth or fact of a certain aspect of Nature, when we can describe it & define it, we call it a “scientific fact” or a “scientific law.”
I see the Supernatural as something that exists within the Laws of Nature, but humanity hasn’t perceived or learned it well enough to confirm it as fact…That’s why there’s still room for “theory” to make our best educated guess. The Supernatural is merely something humanity hasn’t YET been able to confirm as fact, but maybe someday we can.
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